Can we talk about Homosalate??? | Ingredients

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Can we talk about Homosalate???

Because i am in such a state of confusion over this ingredient. With so much conflicting information. CAN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION WITHOUT GETTING ANGRY OR NEGATIVE WITH EACHOTHER ?? Some studies say its ok in small amounts. The issue with thst is the directions to apply it every 2 hours. And were directed to apply spf heavily each time. If your applying a tablespoon of spf 3 times or more in a 7 hour period , that becomes a lot. In my opinin more than any other product were applying. There are studies that have found homosalate in our blood. After using spf. Other opinions and studies argue that the possible side effects from homosalate do not outweigh the damage uva uvb rays cause. Some of my favorite spfs are called hybrids. Physical + chemical together. Lessoning the percentage of the chemical ingredient. Last year i joined an online class where we learned about what ingredients in skincare are questionable and what ingredients were safe. And i realized that it really depends on who is presenting the information. Do they have a bias ?? Iv had conversations on line with scientists and dermatologists. I had one person claiming to be a student of chemistry tell me that there is no way what we put on our skin makes it into the blood ??? It only sits on the outer layer of skin. This i personally do not believe. We want out products to absorb past that outer derma. If it absorbs into our skin where does it go from there??!!!?? Naturally the body breaks it down and to that it goes into our tissue and blood to be broken down. Or it would just continue to pool under our skin and work its way back out ???? I have learned to accept the opinion and knowledge of others even when it differs from my own. I have learned that i do not know everything. Every day i learn something new. I have learned to accept all the different information available. My issue ................ I am currently going through perimenopause, early hormonal changes. The issues brough up about homosalate is that it is a hormone disruptor. Causing hormone issues. The words Possible and potential are used a ot though. As if to say it could or it might cause issues. What i hope to achieve with this discussion is more knowledge on whether it is safe to use spf with homosalate?? I would also like to hear from our PICKY EXPERTS AND DERMATOLOGISTS ,CHEMISTS ,CHEMICAL SCIENTISTS, STUDENTS IN THE DERMA FIELDS ..... KEEP IN MIND homosalate has been approved for use. It is not banned and there are no warnings on lables containing homosalate. The EWG oks the use with caution to use in small amounts. What is considered a small amout???? What would you recommend ?
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EWG is not a reliable source and never has been. Which is ironic because we're on a platform that uses the EWG ingredient ranking system. I think a good way to put this into perspective is this, for chemical sunscreens there's not a lot of human data and that's a good thing. Because a lot of the chemical sunscreen filters available in North America have been around for decades (1970s) and there hasn't been millions of people dying from using them. A lot of data that comes from chemical filters are from animal testing and studies and while we are animals, we can't really compare these studies to how it'll affect us as humans and our health. Also for a lot of these studies were data is gathered they literally feed animals high % of these UV filters which is basically never found in sunscreens. In the end, it's easy to get swept up with articles and TikTok influencers telling you something is bad and evil. People deliberately make catchy headlines and want to drum up attention. Take with a grain of salt and don't freak out over "issues" like this.
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fantastic 💞👏 Thank you
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yeah, EWG is terrible, yet Picky uses it which is ridiculous. I’m not a specialist or anything, but following skin chemists on instagram has really opened my eyes to the science behind things. I absolutely hate that the “clean beauty” craze has vilified so many safe products and that your average person thinks they’re smarter than the cosmetic scientists that make these formulations -_- Parabens are fine, and I’m sure homosalate is fine too. I would stick to following cosmetic chemists like @labmuffinbeautyscience and others like her for your information.
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By the mere fact your government body approves it for personal use already points out to its safety. EWG is not a very good source for unbiase opinion either they are pretty much notorious in the science community for bias and nitpicking of studied data. I honestly will not take any opinion sourced from EWG.
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Is this like the paraben issue again? Firstly, how did they test the ingredient? Did they simulate how it is used realistically? Again, the dosage and mode of and intake/application is a big factor before considering something harmful. Remember when paraben was labeled unsafe because they fed a very high dosage of it to rats when in real life application, paraben is just less than 1% of the product formulation and we apply it topically. As said earlier by others, EWG is not a good source so I won't dig deeper into that. The skin is also semipermeable and it is good at keeping things out. Remember that we use moisturizer to keep moisture in because we are constantly experiencing transepidermal water loss which means that even the water that our skin absorbs eventually evaporates which also means that the water did not make it to our bloodstream. The level of penetration of an ingredient depends on the size of its molecule or when a product is formulated with penetration enhancers. For example, retinol gets absorbed into the dermis to give you those long term anti-aging effects while emollients and occlusive have big molecular sizes so most of the time, they just sit on the stratum corneum to prevent transepidermal water loss. There is a lot more to say here but I'll just suggest that we'll just read peer-reviewed articles when we have time. Watch LabMuffin on YouTube too since she's very helpful and always links the studies that she's referring to.
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it’s safe to use from every regulators from the EU, FDA and etc2. As long you don’t swallow it in large amount it , should be fine. That is basically advice for every skincare product. If you don’t like it for whatever reasons, there will be someone or some manufacturer selling something else for you.
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